[{"id": 136044, "created": "2020-04-11T17:29:34.242711", "project_id": 456, "task_id": 84150, "user_id": 580, "user_ip": null, "finish_time": "2020-04-11T17:45:34.327569", "timeout": null, "calibration": null, "external_uid": null, "media_url": null, "info": {"NGR": "NS 92;38", "Site": "STRATHCLYDE;CARMICHAEL;DOUGLAS WATER;Near the bridge;Formerly Lanarkshire", "CollHist": "? Lost\r\nHistory\r\nSaid to have been in the possession of the Marquess of Douglas c. 1834", "Contents": "(1) Gold ribbon torc\r\n(2) Gold ribbon torc", "comments": "", "ArchiveEtc": "Rec. S.H. 1.12.81.", "ContextType": "7b GROUP", "BiblioSources": "(a) Wilson (1863) 466\r\n(b) Coles (1959-60) 92\r\n(c) Taylor (1980) 92 (Ln. 2-3)", "Circumstances": "Reference (a) reports : \"In 1834 some workers quarrying for stone near the bridge over Douglas Water, Carmichael, Lanarkshire, discovered a pair of armillae (sic) weighing 20 sovereigns, which were destined for the same fate\" (i.e. consigned to the crucrible) \"but fortunately the Marquess of Douglas learned of the discovery in time to repurchase them ere they had been converted into modern trinkets\".\r\n\r\nNote to Stuart\r\nColes (b) regards this association as uncertain, but the account in (a) seemed so circumstantially informative that it might be worth your consideration.\r\n\r\nIt is strange (i.e. coincidental) that :\r\n\r\n(a) the date - 1834 - is the same as that given for another association at Carmichael (i.e. Stonehill Wood, q.v) although the artefacts are different.\r\n\r\n(b) The names of the persons said to be (or have been) in possession of the objects from the twp alleged findspots. The two ribbon torcs on the attached card were said to have been in the possession of the Marquess of Douglas c. 1834 (since lost). The three armlets from Stonehill Wood, Carmichael (q.v.) are still, ti seems, in the possession of the Earl of Home. The 11th earl of Home (succeeded in 1841) married the Douglas heiress, since when the family has been known as Douglas-Home.\r\n\r\nSince the Stonehill Wood (q.v) finds were exhibited in London in 1864, those from near Douglas Water reported in (a) may be uncertain. Perhaps the two finds have been conflated in some way?", "FindAltSiteRel": ""}}, {"id": 139564, "created": "2020-05-19T18:15:36.073977", "project_id": 456, "task_id": 84150, "user_id": 1998, "user_ip": null, "finish_time": "2020-05-19T18:44:28.805838", "timeout": null, "calibration": null, "external_uid": null, "media_url": null, "info": {"NGR": "NS 92; 38", "Site": "Strathclyde; Carmichael; Douglas Water; Near the Bridge", "CollHist": "?Lost / Said to have been in the possession of the Marquess of Douglas c. 1834", "Contents": "(1) Gold ribbon torc\r\n(2) Gold ribbon torc", "comments": "Note to Stuart\r\nColes (b) regards this association as uncertain, but the account in (a) seemed so circumstantially informative that it might be worth your consideration.\r\n\r\nIt is strange (i.e. coincidental) that:\r\n\r\n(a) the date -1834 - is the same as that given for another association at Carmichael (i.e. Stonehill Wood, q.v) although the artefacts are different.\r\n\r\n(b) the names of thee persons said to be (or have been) in possession of the objects from the two alleged findspots.  The two ribbon torcs on the attached card were said to have been in the possession of the Marquess of Douglas c. 1834 (since lost).  The three armlets from Stonehill Wood, Carmichael (q.v.) are still, it seems in the possession of the Earl of Home.  The 11th earl of Home (succeeded in 1841) married the Douglas heiress, since when the family has been known as Douglas-Home.\r\n\r\nSince the Stonehill Wood (q.v.) finds were exhibited in London in 1864, those from near Douglas Water reported in (a) may be uncertain.  Perhaps the two finds have been conflated in some way?\r\n", "ArchiveEtc": "; S.H.1.12.81.", "ContextType": "7b Group", "BiblioSources": "(a) Wilson (1863) 466\r\n(b) Coles (1959-60) 92\r\n(c) Taylor (1980) 92 (Ln. 2-3)", "Circumstances": "Reference (a) reports: :In 1834 some workmen quarrying for stone near the bridge over Douglas Water, Carmichael, Lanarkshire, discovered a pair of armillae (sic) weighing 20 sovereigns, which were destined for the same fate \"(i.e. consigned to the crucible)\" but fortunately the Marquess of Douglas learned of the discovery in time to repurchase them ere they had been converted into modern trinkets\".", "FindAltSiteRel": "Formerly Lanarkshire"}}, {"id": 139571, "created": "2020-05-19T18:41:55.499093", "project_id": 456, "task_id": 84150, "user_id": 243, "user_ip": null, "finish_time": "2020-05-19T18:51:16.201472", "timeout": null, "calibration": null, "external_uid": null, "media_url": null, "info": {"NGR": "NS 92 38", "Site": "STRATHCLYDE; CARMICHAEL; DOUGLAS WATER; Near the bridge", "CollHist": "?Lost / History; Said to have been in the possession of the Marquess of Douglas c. 1834", "Contents": "(1) Gold ribbon torc; (2) Gold ribbon torc / [On a separate notecard attached to the card]; Note to Stuart; Coles (b) regards this association as uncertain, but the account in (a) seemed so circumstantially informative that it might be worth your consideration.; It is strange (I.E. coincidental) that: (a) the date - 1834 - is the same as that given for another association at Carmichael (i.e. Stonehill Wood, q.v) although the artefacts are different. (b) the names of the persons said to be (or have been) in possession of the objects from the two alleged findspots.  The two ribbon torcs on the attached card were said to have been in the possession of the Marquess of Douglas c. 1834 (since lost). The three armlets from Stonehill Wood, Carmichael (q.v.) are still, it seems, in the possession of hte Earl of Home.  The 11th earl of Home (succeeded in 1841) married the Douglas heiress, since when the family has been known as Douglas-Home.; Since the Stonehill Wood (q.v) finds were exhibited in London in 1864, those from near Douglas Water reported in (a) may be uncertain.  Perhaps the two finds have been conflated in some way?", "comments": "Question mark in Collection is original to card and not a transcriber's note.", "ArchiveEtc": "[Rec.] S.H.1.12.81.", "ContextType": "7b GROUP", "BiblioSources": "(a) Wilson (1863) 466; (b) Coles (1959-60) 92; (c) Taylor (1980) 92 (Ln. 2-3)", "Circumstances": "Reference (a) reports: \"In 1834 some workmen quarrying for stone near the bridge over Douglas Water, Carmichael, Lanarkshire, discovered a pair of armillae (sic) weighing 20 sovereigns, which were destined for the same fate\" (I.E. consigned to the crucible)\" but fortunately the; continued; Marquess of Douglas learned of the discovery in time to repurchase them ere they had been converted into modern trinkets\".", "FindAltSiteRel": "Formerly Lanarkshrie"}}]